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 12-23-2003, 12:59 Post: 72024
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I flew beavers before I had started my licence at the airline I worked for. We would dead head back from a logging camp and the pilots would allow us to fly. A beaver is a very forgiving plane so empty there was little danger. I landed once or twice on floats.
A beaver is STOL and without floats it will perform almost like the best of them. Most were built for the US Army and were use in Vietnam for the jungle fields. There were a couple of kits to improve their performance. One was developed by Kenair in Seattle.
Their were few turbo Beavers built but are a larger plane and kind of missed the market.
The Otter was not as good at STOL, a little under powered with the large radial. No one wanted it near water with the high tip speeds. I think Kenair's turbine conversion has made the beast more popular. I have not seen one take off but on TV so seening is believing.
The Maule has good performance from the info. I only saw them on floats once or twice 20 years ago. Not sure how it compares to a Helio Currier or Cessna 180 with STOL kit. The Helio will take off in the roll length on floats without head wind and will fly less than 50 MPH. Unfortunately it has complicated leading edge flaps. The 180 with Robertson STOL kit is not as good as a Beaver on floats but much better than a standard 180 or 185.
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 12-23-2003, 21:28 Post: 72052
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I saw the picture from the angle out the door I suspected they started in the hanger. The Helio would do that with with maybe the tail in the door.
I never flew a beaver with out floats but have seen them take off with floats empty and a 15 mph head wind in one length of the plane.
Have you ever seen a Buffalo make a full STOL landing and takeoff? One plane length each and this is a big plane.
I am not sure you could get me to cough up 500K for a Maule turbo. I guess I would look at something a little more rugged if I was going to spend that much. I guess Beaver are near that now though and not exactly new.






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 12-24-2003, 11:46 Post: 72095
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I assume that the turbine would help in this problem, but most turbines are quite thirsty. I have a few friends that are flying in New Ginuea with MAF. I would suspect that if anyone knew what to fly in the high alt. and tough conditions it would be them. I think they are flying some Pilatus. A refurbed one is 300K.






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